Mosque gets Ok...

While I agree that muslims have the total right to build where they wish as long as all codes and local, state, and federal laws are abided by, I only question their wisdom to build so close to a site that will cause most Americans animosity toward muslims. To me, this is just stirring the pot for more hurt and yes bloodshed to come. What the city of New York should have done, was to enact ordinances to discourage any and all types of religious establishments so close to such "hallowed" ground as this is.

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Originally Posted by centennialdawg

While I agree that muslims have the total right to build where they wish as long as all codes and local, state, and federal laws are abided by, I only question their wisdom to build so close to a site that will cause most Americans animosity toward muslims. To me, this is just stirring the pot for more hurt and yes bloodshed to come. What the city of New York should have done, was to enact ordinances to discourage any and all types of religious establishments so close to such "hallowed" ground as this is.

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That's just the type of people they are tho. They aren't happy unless they're "sticking it" it to the "west"

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What the city of New York should have done, was to enact ordinances to discourage any and all types of religious establishments so close to such "hallowed" ground as this is.

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"Separation of church and state" says that would be Unconstitutional.

Is that really seperation of Church and State though, if they prohibited any religious buildings to be erected in such an area?

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

"Separation of church and state" says that would be Unconstitutional.

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IDK that seems to be something right in a zoneing laws wheelhouse

The only way a government can take action against its' citzens is to make laws. Laws = "the State". If laws are made infringing upon religion (aka "The Church") for the sole purpose of preventing religion from free worship, then the line separating Church and State is erased.

Now--under the law, if a religious group built a faulty building that threatened public safety, then yes--that group breaks the law and the housing commissions can step in, absolutely. If that's the case--they're not going after how they worship, they're presiding over what they're responsible for--the sound building of a place of worship so it's parishoners are safe.

When it comes to saying we'll make a law so no churches can be built in a particular area, you're infringing upon the right of a religion to build a place of worship, which infringes upon their right to worship--only because you don't want them worshipping that religion there. That violates the separation of the two IMO, and is thusly wrong and unconstitutional.

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

The only way a government can take action against its' citzens is to make laws. Laws = "the State". If laws are made infringing upon religion (aka "The Church") for the sole purpose of preventing religion from free worship, then the line separating Church and State is erased.

Now--under the law, if a religious group built a faulty building that threatened public safety, then yes--that group breaks the law and the housing commissions can step in, absolutely. If that's the case--they're not going after how they worship, they're presiding over what they're responsible for--the sound building of a place of worship so it's parishoners are safe.

When it comes to saying we'll make a law so no churches can be built in a particular area, you're infringing upon the right of a religion to build a place of worship, which infringes upon their right to worship--only because you don't want them worshipping that religion there. That violates the separation of the two IMO, and is thusly wrong and unconstitutional.

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But, in a way, it is endangering the public. How long do you all think the mosque will stand before some radical christian group or disgruntled american militia does something to it?

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Originally Posted by centennialdawg

But, in a way, it is endangering the public. How long do you all think the mosque will stand before some radical christian group or disgruntled american militia does something to it?

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So you're blaming the existence of a mosque in a particular area for Christian/militia terrorism? Did you really just say that?

Then I guess you would blame a Christian church's existence for any Islamic terrorism against it too, right? I suppose a rape victim got what she deserved b/c she was in the same area as a person w/a penis? That's a really bad stance to attempt to take on this CD...

Nothing excuses terrorism. It's ludicrous to try to take the stance and say otherwise. We have to protect both religious freedom in this country and the separation of church and state if we want the moral fabric of this country to return to normal. Things wouldn't be nearly as crazy if both of those ideals took center stage in our country's mindset.

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

So you're blaming the existence of a mosque in a particular area for Christian/militia terrorism? Did you really just say that?

Then I guess you would blame a Christian church's existence for any Islamic terrorism against it too, right? I suppose a rape victim got what she deserved b/c she was in the same area as a person w/a penis? That's a really bad stance to attempt to take on this CD...

Nothing excuses terrorism. It's ludicrous to try to take the stance and say otherwise. We have to protect both religious freedom in this country and the separation of church and state if we want the moral fabric of this country to return to normal. Things wouldn't be nearly as crazy if both of those ideals took center stage in our country's mindset.

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I don't think he was making an excuse for it, or trying to say it was the right thing to do. What he was trying to say, IMO, is that if you use a little common sense, it is stupid to think it won't happen.

And if you don't think this is a terror tactic, you're delusional. Look at it already..I saw an article yesterday about how this is even pulling apart the familys of the victims of 9/11...not to mention giving the whole country something else to argue about. Meanwhile, Muslim extremists use our own laws against us to infiltrate from within under the veil of religious freedom, and rub their victory in our face. If you don't think this place will be used a recruiting zone, then you are just ignoring common sense.

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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

So you're blaming the existence of a mosque in a particular area for Christian/militia terrorism? Did you really just say that?

Then I guess you would blame a Christian church's existence for any Islamic terrorism against it too, right? I suppose a rape victim got what she deserved b/c she was in the same area as a person w/a penis? That's a really bad stance to attempt to take on this CD...

Nothing excuses terrorism. It's ludicrous to try to take the stance and say otherwise. We have to protect both religious freedom in this country and the separation of church and state if we want the moral fabric of this country to return to normal. Things wouldn't be nearly as crazy if both of those ideals took center stage in our country's mindset.

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Now, you are sounding like r13(guess his way has rubbed off on some after all) I am not saying that . All I am saying is that given the current climate of America's intolerance to what many perceive as a slap in the face challenging one to a duel, something is bound to happen. This is also perceived as a "tear" in the very fabric of our nation, not because it is a mosque, but the fact that in a lot of people's perception, that mosque represents(quite wrongly I might add) the evil that was done to our country. To think any differently would be ludacrus.